Dear Editor:
I am writing to respond to a letter that appeared in the Hudson Reporter by Jake Stuiver on April 8. Mr. Stuiver’s letter was no more than an attack piece riddled with inaccuracies and outright falsehoods.
Mr. Stuiver distorts and twists the facts to his liking in an attempt to sow discontent.
In his letter, Mr. Stuiver confuses Mayor Zimmer’s no-bid contract to Emnet, for flood sensor technology which cost the city over $160K of taxpayer money, including travel expenses for the Indiana-based company, to tell us exactly what we already knew – that a significant rain event combined with high tide will create flooding in our ward. I am 100 percent against this taxpayer waste.
The idea to upgrade and fix our existing parks in the 4th Ward as the city’s responsibility stemmed from my campaign in the fall of 2010. Again, Mr. Stuiver fails to recognize that the previous 4th Ward councilpersons, Michael Lenz and Dawn Zimmer, failed to even mention that the responsibility to fix these two parks lies solely with the city.
Mr. Stuiver also incorrectly labels Mr. Danny Tattoli as a developer. Mr. Tattoli is a businessman and a valued member of our community. Mr. Stuiver again twists the facts to suit his purpose.
Mr. Stuiver is mistaken about Mr. Tattoli’s contribution to my reelection campaign. Mr. Tattoli’s sole donation was $1,500 on May 10, 2011, as reported on my election report filed with NJ ELEC. Mr. Tattoli contributes to Hoboken’s local, state, and county elected officials as is his right to do so. Ironically, Mr. Stuiver, as campaign treasurer for Michael Lenz, neglects to include the fact that Mr. Tattoli also made a contribution to the Lenz campaign.
Accusing me of being bought-and-paid-for is as ludicrous as someone implying that Mr. Stuiver’s $3,850 in campaign contributions to Mayor Zimmer helped him secure his seat on the Hoboken Housing Authority. If one was to follow Mr. Stuiver’s line of logic concerning political contributions, they might conclude that Mayor Zimmer is in his pocket.
How can anyone take Mr. Stuiver seriously when his accusations are false and his facts are wrong? Mr. Stuiver has an agenda and is apparently willing to distort the facts to achieve his goals, but I stand by my record.
Here are issues I’ve fought for since I took office:
• advocated and won support to reprogram $3 million in grant funding for a 4th Ward Park
• advocated that Mama Johnson Field be upgraded with proper drainage and new turf
• upgraded both pocket parks in the ward with new playground equipment and safety surfaces
• added new stop sign to increase pedestrian safety at Harrison Street and Observer Highway
• rerouted NJ Transit buses to ease traffic flow in neighborhood
I truly feel that the 4th Ward is a great place to live and I am proud of the accomplishments and gains that have been made since I took office.
Sincerely,
Tim Occhipinti
4th Ward Councilman
After all, if NAnderson was a shill, why would he have written the detailed explanation below about Emnet and its technology that exposed Tim's ignorance about it so clearly. Why would a shill provide information that makes Councilman Occhipinti's claims in his letter look so incredibly stupid?
Of course it could be that you guys are simply incredibly incompetent shills. Its a good thing that while Beth Mason doesn't pay for friendship she has demonstrated a continuing willingness to pay extremely handsomely for failure.
Folks, the Mason gang exposed. Councilwoman Mason pitching a smear campaign to the media- BUSTED.
http://grafixavenger.blogspot.com/2012/05/breaking-mason-hoboken-reporter-smear.html
I think Mr. LaMarca and the Hoboken Reporter now have some interesting decisions to make to protect their own credibility.
But you have to admit that the timing of your appearance protesting the tone of the Hoboken blogshpere is remarkedly suspect when it comes in the run up to the now exposed hit job that the Witch of Hudson Street was hatching with the Disreporter. Just say it aint so and you arent part of the plot and continue to post. That is assuming you arent part of that idiotic caper wherein Bet finds herself SPLAT again, foiled by the indomintable GA.
The posters below, NAnderson and Truman Show, are fakes from Camp Mason performing a lay-up to the hit piece they expected to appear in the coming print issue.
This, like all of Beth Mason's other hatchet jobs on political critics using the media (and sometimes the HPD) - has FLOPPED.
Please read today's expose in GA:
http://grafixavenger.blogspot.com/2012/05/breaking-mason-hoboken-reporter-smear.html
Yes, the Mason Team in their pursuit of silencing my blog has shown their hand, yet again.
GA has published what's going down behind-the-scenes. Yep, a hit piece is in the making. read all of NAnderson's comments very carefully, read my piece and you'll get it.
Foiled again, Mason rats!
http://grafixavenger.blogspot.com/2012/05/breaking-mason-plants-hit-piece-in.html
Read more: Hudson Reporter - Stuiver distorts and twists the facts to his liking
I would hope that the Hoboken Reporter would be fully transparent if they continue with their story on Hoboken's blogs.
If the story idea was pitched by someone then that person should be named and fully vetted.
Not to do so would again call into question the Hoboken Reporter's credability.
They also have an ethical obligation to research whether the issue is real or a straw man.
Those who assume that the HR will produce a shoddy biased "hit piece" at the behest of a political faction whose role is kept secret by the HR will hopefully be proven wrong.
It is certainly possible to write a story on the role of blogs in an honest and responsible way. All eyes are on the HR and its new young reporter to see which direction they choose. The credibility of the HR as a paper and its ability to compete with the blogs as a source of information may well depend on which direction they choose. I for one hope (and believe) that they will reflect on the commentary and choose well.
If he goes ahead with the story pitched by the City Council minority without revealing their instigation and input he will end up looking like their pawn and add fuel to the preceived political bias of the Hoboken Reporter many people have already.
We can only hope that the Hoboben Reporter publishes a fair and fully transparent article.
If this or any story is instigated and orchestrated by a politician or their operatives then it is my opinion that must be part of the reporting to make it transparent and fair.
That is not intimadation that is expectation.
If this story is published then public will decide. as it always does, if they think it helps or hurts the credibility of the author and the publication.
I have heard a fair amount now, though, about how much you despise the blogs. Reams of it. I look forward to a single specific comment from you on the political actions which have brought the blogs into existence. This is an organic process. Action begettng reaction. I get that you don't like the reaction. And...?
And if you're just going to repeat that you already said you don't like the council minority, save your typing. I am asking about straight-up lawlessness. 575 paid workers in Occhipinti's 2010 campaign. You think that's as bad as blogging about it? Beth doing everything in her power to get the hospital to close so she could hang it on Zimmer. You think that's as bad as blogging about it?
Here's the difference. You don't have to read the blogs. You do have to live with the votes Tim makes as a council member, eg, preventing the bond conversion. You'd have to live with the municipal default that would have followed had Beth succeeded in getting the hospital closed.
See a difference?
That's a nasty little problem you have there...perhaps consulting a urologist is in order?
My position on Grafix Avenger's blog is pretty clear so I won't repeat myself. I have also said that I Hoboken Horse seems a bit more responsible when it comes to his reporting and I don't necessarily have a problem with his blog.
As for my personal views on the political machinations in Hoboken, I've stated that I don't like old school politics. That includes pay-to-play, political patronage and the use of personal wealth to rig the system.
Russo and Mason are the embodiment of those problems with Hoboken politics and politics in general on both local and national levels.
As for Occhipinti, I'm not sure what to make of him.
Yes, Mason's support put him in office and he votes down the party line. But I have seen him out in the community and he genuinely seems like a good person who volunteers his time for Hoboken. He seems a bit rough around the edges in the videos that I've seen of the council meetings and he is not a good public speaker.
However, I think he might get a bad rap because who he has associated himself with, but given his popularity within certain segments of the Hoboken community - younger constituents - he could do some good if he is able to create his own identity.
If he could become the independent voice he campaigned as I think he might be able to separate himself from the Mason-Russo camp especially since it seems that there is a chance they may not be long for Hoboken politics.
It will be interesting to see what he does if Russo and Mason are suddenly out of the picture.
I really think that folks like you, Grafix Avenger and DancingRudy are challenging me because I've said something about a blog you like that you don't agree with and striking out become your default reaction. This is the result of the environment of conflict that has been created in Hoboken politics which Grafix Avenger's blog does have a part in.
You've become so convinced that there is a boogyman under every bed that you believe that anyone who expresses an opinion contrary to your own is a political operative.
Well, I'm not, I just have an opinion. Tell you what - you let me have my opinion about Grafix Avenger's blog and I'll let you have yours.
Just my 2 cents.
But I WILL say that having a dozen or so posts about the blogs and none about the politicians in question doesn't exactly pass the smell test. At least not in this town. Which is why I invited you to say something about the conduct of the people who ARE on the public's dime.
In any case, if you think Tim Occhipinti is merely a little naive and "rough around the edges" then you'll just love Franz Paetzold. And a waiter will be to your table shortly to peddle him to you. Act surprised.
Yes, the Mason Team in their pursuit of silencing my blog has shown their hand, yet again.
GA has published what's going down behind-the-scenes. Yep, a hit piece is in the making. read all of NAnderson's comments very carefully, read my piece and you'll get it.
Foiled again, Mason rats!
http://grafixavenger.blogspot.com/2012/05/breaking-mason-plants-hit-piece-in.html
Sorry to disappoint, but I am not pushing anyone's agenda but my own. I despise Beth Mason and Michael Russo so it would be difficult for me to be part of the "Beth Mason Team."
Let me put that out there again even though I have not only said it here, but in one of my previous posts - I do not like Mason or Russo and would not be caught dead saying anything on their behalf.
Now that we have cleared that up. Please take a moment, take a deep breath and then count to 10. Now read the following and take it to heart - because it is the complete and honest truth.
I disklike your blog for the same reason I can't stand the Tea Party morons that wave around signs with pictures of Obama adorned with Hitler moustaches. It is disrespectful to the office and does not offer any real value to political discourse. By using the same tactics, you are as toxic a presence in Hoboken politics as I believe Russo and Mason are.
Do I like the old-school politics that you rage against on your blog? Not in the least. But I believe that political discourse can exist without the hateful and childish rhetoric you put out every single day.
I am not part of the Russo or Mason team nor am I in any way part of the council majority's team. I am a private citizen with a specific set of beliefs and views about how we can improve the way we conduct ourselves when it comes to Hoboken politics. The only issue I have taken with your blog is its tone and accuracy. Have I ever said that I disagree with your politics?
I'll offer you a piece of advice - take it for what it is, a friendly gesture, nothing more.
Tone down the petty attacks and demeaning caricatures of people you don't agree with and try making your point through reasoned arguments - not sensational, hateful screeds.
I do find it interesting that you've been approached regarding your blog independently from my posts - and please understand, I have no hand in that story. It does sound as if your targets are launching a smear campaign against your blog. But be assured, other than expressing my opinion here, I had no influence on that reporter's decision to approach you.
Somehow I doubt that Mr. LeMarca finds your assertions that there is no connection between your blogging activity and the story that was pitched to him by politicos to be as insulting as it is transparent.
You have however explained quite convincingly that Councilman Occhipinti's statements about the Emnet Technology that could potentially save the City many million of dollars were ignorant and reflected an astonishing lack of understanding for the Councilman who represents our flood prone 4th Ward.
Thank you again for exposing both Councilman Occhipinti, yourself and even the Hoboken Reporter's unfortunate susceptibility political manipulation to the disinfectant effects of sunlight. You are truly a champion of transparency and your contributions continue to be invaluable.
One question though. You say Tim's criticism of Emnet is based on "fact" yet your "facts" are quite different than Tim's.
Tim said when running for office that Emnet does not provide any information that we could not get "watching the weather channel." Now he says that the data tells us nothing but that rain at high tide causes flooding, something we already knew.
Your extremely knowledgeable post makes it pretty apparent that you know that Tim's assertions are not simply incorrect, they are stupid. It is, therefore, surprising to see you characterize Tim's inane statements as "facts."
It is the seeming inability to comprehend anthing about the purpose of the technology that helps feed the perception that Tim is unfit for public office. Perhaps, instead of spending your time posting here you should contact Tim and educate him about the issue so that he does not continue to sound as stupid and uninformed as he has to date about an issue of critical importance to his 4th Ward constituents.
Everything I learned about EmNet and Occhipinti's position I gathered from the links I sourced below - including Grafix Avenger's blog.
Frankly, other than knowing that there were sensors installed to monitor the flood levels, I didn't know a thing about the actual company until I did a little pointing and clicking. Credit goes to Grafix Avenger for linking to stories about other EmNet implementations.
But that does speak to the issue - it took me all of 20 minutes to research and understand what EmNet does in the City of Hoboken and debunk what Grafix Avenger posted about its function. Why the deception? Was it intentional or did she not understand what the sensors were for?
And please don't try and draw me into a debate about Occhipinti, I really don't have an opinion about him one way or the other except that it seems he's a bit of a neophyte. If he truly doesn't understand what the sensors were for, then I think that lends credence to my opinion that he is a bit of a rookie.
I am only using this as a forum to discuss taking ownership of what the political blogs in Hoboken post and the accuracy of the facts contained within the posts. Grafix Avenger's post about EmNet was just a convenient and timely example.
Your attempt to change the subject has unintentionally umade clear that Tim's statements about Emnet were both uninformed and stupid.
As a City Council member representing the 4th Ward, Tim should have at least as good an understanding of Emnet as you do, especially since you have done only "20 minutes" of research.
Unfortunately, Tim either has no clue what the technology does or is pretending to have no clue. Either way his statements do not provide confidence that he is fit to do his job.
The only reason I posted on this story was that I thought it might be a neutral place to discuss the need for more (any? some?) :) civility in Hoboken politics.
We seemed mired in a cycle of attack politics that is couter-productive.
Please feel free to explain why you feel that Nancy, as a citizen blogger, has a responsibility to fully understand the function of the Emnet technology and that Tim as the City Council person representing the ward most prone to flooding does not.
Bottom line - you have exposed the breathtaking ignorance of Tim's assertions about Emnet even better than Nancy did.
And unlike your comments about Nancy, your unintentional exposure of Tim's stupidity was actually relevant to the thread.
Thank you!
You seem to be carrying a bit of anger around with you. It detracts from any argument you might be trying to make.
To answer your question, they both have a responsibility to understand the facts behind what they are debating in a public forum.
Grafix Avenger is representing herself as a resource for political commentary and Occhipinti holds public office. My point is they both have a responsibility to their audience/constituents.
To be clear - at not time did I excuse either of them for their ignorance. However, I felt very strongly about the current tone of politics in Hoboken and wanted to share my views.
I consider our discussion closed. Thanks for keeping it interesting.
Yesterday's exclusive covered the soon to be removed Councilman Michael Russo from the Hoboken Housing Authority board likely by Councilman Dave Mello.
A blast of video past showing him trading on the office of that same board with a select video clip was provided by the FBI in his meeting with Solomon Dwek.
Today's exclusive story is on Hoboken411's criminal coercion case scheduled to be heard tomorrow Hoboken court:
http://hobokenhorse.com
I personally won't pretend to be unbiased and above the fray, but I don't know the screen names below & my guess is that at least one of them (maybe more) may be a real, well meaning person who might have gotten involved and worked to make Hoboken a better place. Congrats on alienating people liek that. Bravo darling.
Your thoughts on Tim's letter?
One of the common characteristics shared by all blogging political operatives is that they all believe they're extremely clever as they repeat the same failed strategy over and over.
I suppose if you continue to get paid for failure there's no reason to consider whether your strategy is working.
"probably regular people" because?????
I wonder why all this "the blogs are so mean" activity has suddenly found its way onto the Hoboken Reporter website of all places?
Things that should make the HR's new reporter go hmmmmmmm. I guess we'll have to wait and see whether he's as easily manipulated as you seem to think.
funny that you say this discussion is about blogs being mean. i didn't see mention of that. i saw one blog criticized as being one sided and not fact checked and full of unsubstantiated attacks.
It looks like Tim's minders realize this letter was a (huge) mistake and are trying to steer comments to a discussion on... BLOGS. Anything BUT the content of this letter which has more holes than a wheel of Swiss cheese.
Here's one possible theory to explain the push-back on blogs: Timmy wants to run for Mayor, and his minders are trying to discredit effective critics:
http://grafixavenger.blogspot.com/2012/04/for-birds.html
Well, it's all very funny. Got an uptick in traffic from here yesterday, so I look forward to Truman's next effort to look like a 'reasonable' reform-minded person alienated by the 'tone' on the blogs. Sounds just like the operative pretending his friends wouldn't move to Hoboken because of the uncivil discourse on Patch.
Oh, brother. These folks never learn.
Hey, did you know the author of the above letter wants a $4,000 taxpayer-funded raise? That's after he voted against a cost-free garage bond conversion from no-taxable to taxable which cost the city $4,500,000- it came from our surplus.
http://grafixavenger.blogspot.com/2012/04/timmy-wants-allowance.html
And then Tim has the NERVE to call Hoboken's new 160K flood monitoring system, Emnet, a "waste of taxpayer money."
160K is only 0.14% of Hoboken's total budget, spent to help constituents in his own ward. Yikes.
OK Truman, keep talking about Horsey and myself. Ha!
Folks, come visit GA and MSV, and judge for yourself.
Grafix Avenger,
You seem to really be enjoying all this attention and I was just going to walk away from this whole discussion, but I wanted to make sure I understood one thing I saw here in your post and on your blog.
I thought that EmNet was only providing a monitoring system that was for a year-long study to collect data on our flood levels for the $165k? (Hudson Reporter: http://bit.ly/InwUkT) It is my understanding that while the city does own the equipment, it will have to pay additional money for future monitoring by EmNet after one year.
On your blog you say regarding Occhipinti’s labeling of the EmNet system a waste:
"(**Wrong Timm-o. Emnet is a monitoring technology that is integrated with our existing infrastructure and new pumps to convey information in real time, optimizing performance, relaying information to 'smart valves' and expediting the dispatch of crews where needed)"
And you link to a story about EmNet's CSOnet (http://bit.ly/K04BdB) system which seems to be a much more robust and longterm version than what has been installed in Hoboken for what I thought was the sole purpose of collecting data about our flood levels over one calendar year.
For example, the story you linked to in your blog post referenced South Bend's implementation of EmNet's CSOnet system that included 115 sensors throughout 500 miles of sewer pipes at a cost of $6 million. While this is a much more extensive implementation of the overflow monitoring system, I would think that a similar system in Hoboken would cost more than $165k and utilize more than 15 sensors citywide.
Maybe I'm just not familiar enough with the full implementation of EmNet's sensors in Hoboken, but I couldn't find anywhere that specifically said that these sensors have been linked to any 'smart valves' in the city. I found the story about the installation of the 15 wireless sensors in the Hoboken Reporter that I linked to above, but I haven't found anything about them being used for anything other than data collection for the first year.
In fact the Mayor's quote (http://bit.ly/JPO8dD) regarding this system would imply that these sensors - in their current state - would only be for data collection:
“This is one of the most technologically advanced and innovative wastewater monitoring systems available, and it will collect and transmit important data today as we are hit by another strong storm,” said Mayor Dawn Zimmer. “I have been advocating for this system since 2007 when I was a Councilwoman, and I’m proud that we are another step closer to addressing our longstanding flooding problem. The wet weather pump under construction should alleviate much of the worst flooding, but we need this high-tech system to collect the data we need to understand how we can completely and cost-effectively solve our flooding problem for the long term.”
So, wet pump handles the lion's share of the flooding issues, but the EmNet system was installed for a short-term study to help us plan long term - or am I misinterpreting that quote?
Grafix Avenger - can you please post your source for the integration of 'smart valves' and the use of EmNet's system beyond data collection? I would be interested in reading about how it will all work.
These questions speak to my point about these blogs being a source of information for their readers. If what Grafix Avenger posted about the EmNet system is inaccurate, then she is doing a diservice to her readers.
They way I read her post was that Hoboken bought a high-tech monitoring system that will control the valves throughout the system and go a long way toward alleviating the city's flooding issues for $165k. What a great deal and a political feather in the cap for the Mayor! And I would agree - if that were the case.
However, I remembered the original story about this system and the flood study and something didn't ring quite true from Grafix Avenger's blog post. I'll even link to it so she gets more traffic since that seems to make her happy:
http://bit.ly/JDFiN6
So, I will publicly apologize to Grafix Avenger if I am wrong, but it seems like she is misleading her reader in regard to the true nature of EmNet's system to score a political point at Occhipinti's expense.
The question isn't even whether Occhipinti was right or wrong is labeling this $165k study as a waste - he at least is voicing an opinion based on fact. Yes, Hoboken spent $165k for a flood study that is a fact – and his argument was that we know enough about the problem and that it wasn't needed. I personally think that the flood study is a good thing. I just hope the sensors Hoboken now owns are utilized after they have served their purpose for the report – if they aren’t, that would be a waste.
It's not like you really have to work to find fault in any of Hoboken's council members so I think using half-truths to do so should be beneath anyone who really wants to change the system and that is a real issue.
Again, just my humble opinion.
Contact me: grafixavenger666@gmail.com
Thanks for the invite, but I think I will decline for now. I really shouldn't have commented on this whole issue originally, but what's done is done.
Feel free to repost my original reply discussing EmNet if you think it would add something of value to the debate on your blog.
Good luck!
If you want to distort a fair reaction to the political discourse in town and say it means I (or anyone else) is preaching some sort of 'equivalancy,' then YOU are a giant part of the problem.
If the GA and Horse blogs are what we have to fight corruption, then they should do it without alienating free-thinking intelligent people who also want to help fight corruption. I don't see that happening enough. I want Dawn to succeed but if her acolytes chase away well-meaning commenters who want the administration to be airtight, they will just drive away good people and keep corruption going. But it seems pointless to try to pursue this issue.
Some of you people probably protected Mason at first even when others pointed out inconsistencies. I don't see anyone below preaching equivalency. But it doesn't look good to the public if you have critics who do similar things to those they criticize even if they are not nearly as bad. Think of the public perception of Hoboken and perhaps you will understand. If you seem childish who will want to get involved?
Referring to Occipinti as 'Timmay' also doesn't make you look intelligent. Just childish. This is serious not a cartoon. YOU are part of the problem unfortunately. I think this is why I will go back to lurking, who has time for this when I could spend it quietly looking for a candidate I can really believe in? (It won't be anyone below.)
http://grafixavenger.blogspot.com/
This is improper in numerous respects and frankly Tim Occhipinti does not address the issue whatsoever.
Stuiver is neither wrong nor alone in questioning Occhipinti's action. Clearly it's struck a nerve. Peter Cammarano only just got out of federal prison for selling out the community to developers.
Tim Occhipinti joined his fellow "council minority" colleagues last fall in putting a choke hold on the hospital sale coming an inch from snuffing out what the Old Guard described as a patient in a coma. He's cost Hoboken additional millions voting down a simple refinance of the midtown garage.
After all that serious financial damage Occhipinti has the nerve to ask for a raise from the people of Hoboken.
As for the Hoboken Housing Authority, Jake Stuiver has served ably and recently led a positive effort to pass pay-to-play legislation. Occhipinti on the other hand has "hired" close to 600 'campaign workers' who voted for him almost all by paper vote-by-mail ballots to see him take the 4th ward council seat.
Anyone wishing to submit a guest piece are welcome to do so on this issue or any other at smartyjones@me.com.
But I see annoy is talking to himself again and ain't buying.
Da Horsey, SmartyJones
Mile Square View
http://hobokenhorse.com
But I also know in Hoboken that volunteer positions are positions of power that could be used as a stepping stone to higher (paid) office and also provide more publicity when someone runs for higher office and I wonder why you did not mention that in this case.
I notice that Grafix Avenger wants to paint any critic as a fan of corruption. I cannot speak for Anderson but I am no fan of corruption or the Russos or Mason and never have been except perhaps in the beginning when Mason seemed to have correct priorities. I have not met Mr. Occipinti but I find it odd that he votes with the minority almost every time. On the same token I agree with Mr. or Ms. Anderson that Grafix' blog has a lot of problems. Westy said it was the tone. It is more then the tone. I won't get into long a back and forth but maybe Anderson will do that some time. One problem is the author's inability to write about any potential problems on the part of the administration, even when there are at least a few that clearly exist. Blind allegiance was what gave Mason a pass in the first place even for a long while after she started changing her stripes. GA's response to Anderson on this blog is a perfect example. Finally I see some interesting speculation on GA but then I look for backup or a followup story and often nothing os it may mean someone is trashed without fact. It is too bad because it has a lot of potential. Just my 0.02.
Now, here's my latest.
As you can see Tim Occhipinti is NOT a fan of Emnet Technology- in the above letter he calls the one-time expense of 160K for lower water bills in perpetuity a "waste of taxpayer money". Accordingly in 2009, Occhipinti advocated for a different flooding remediation plan.
I call it.. well, you'll see. Enjoy, new friends!
http://grafixavenger.blogspot.com/2012/04/numb-nuts-timnologoy.html
Did Tim watch the Superbowl? The fact is that the Giants never won a Superbowl when Dawn Zimmer and Mike Lenz were representing the 4th ward. Still, they may have watched the game. If they were watching then I guess they should get lots of credit too but they'll have to write their own letter.
Eli who???
Another campaign promise fulfilled!!
It would be good if Mr. Stuiver's letter were linked to Councilman Occhipinti's rebutal.